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Police Chief Deploys Officers With Assault Rifles To Stop & ID Everyone; Says Local Crime Stats Give Him Probable Cause

police stateTech Dirt – by Tim Cushing

from the your-police-chief-needs-to-talk-less-and-listen-more dept

It’s been frequently posited that the US is slowly becoming a police state, what with the near-constant surveillance of citizens, the “Constitution-free” zone surrounding our borders, theendless hassles of attempting to board a plane, NYC’s controversial “stop-and-frisk” program, and the many security agencies that either were created or greatly expanded post-9/11.

Apparently, “slowly becoming” a police state isn’t fast enough for the police department of Paragould, Arkansas. In response to an increase in crime, the Paragould PD will be deploying armed officers into high crime areas, clad in SWAT gear, to check IDs on any residents they happen to encounter.

[Police Chief] Stovall told the group of almost 40 residents that beginning in 2013, the department would deploy a new street crimes unit to high crime areas on foot to take back the streets.

“[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck,” Stovall said. “If you’re out walking, we’re going to stop you, ask why you’re out walking, check for your ID.”

Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

“We’re going to do it to everybody,” he said. “Criminals don’t like being talked to.”

You know who else doesn’t like to be talked to by police armed with AR-15 assault rifles and dressed in tactical gear? Damn near everybody. Since it is written exactly nowhere that US citizens are required to carry identification at all times, this sort of “papers, please” activity is going to please no one and do very little to make anyone feel any “safer.” (And Stovall, your jurisdiction doesn’t really cover things like determining what should or shouldn’t offend constituents.)

Despite the obvious issues with this plan, the mayor is fully onboard and ready to start violating some rights!

Gaskill backed Stovall’s proposed actions during Thursday’s town hall.

“They may not be doing anything but walking their dog,” he said. “But they’re going to have to prove it.”

Fantastic. Now pets will need some ID as well, not to mention be willing to sign a statement in your defense, should the need arise. Despite the dubious aspects of this plan (of which there are several), Chief Stovall has convinced himself that not only is this necessary, but fully justified.

Normally, police would not stop individuals for simply walking on the street, but Stovall said the level of crime in certain areas and concerns from residents gave his officers the right to institute the actions announced at the town hall event.

“This fear is what’s given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they’re scared, we can do this,” he said. “It allows us to do what we’re fixing to do.”

Stovall further elaborated on the stop-and-ID policy Friday morning, claiming the city’s crime statistics alone met the threshold of reasonable suspicion required to lawfully accost a citizen.

“To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason,” he said. “Well, I’ve got statistical reasons that say I’ve got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you’re doing out. Then when I add that people are scared…then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area.”

I’m sorry, but crime statistics in aggregate do not automatically convert citizens into “suspects.” I’m completely baffled that someone would actually say, out loud, that crime statistics equal “reasonable suspicion.” That’s some messed up police work right there. And it gets worse. Here’s some more statements from Stovall, which range from “flabbergasting” to “you DO realize you’re still on the record?”

Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall… “I’m hoping we don’t run across [any] of that,” Stovall said. “Will there be people who buck us? There may be. But we have a right to be doing what we’re doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK? We’re not going to take a lot of flack…

Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that “I don’t know that there’s ever been a difference” between his proposals and martial law.

Note that Stovall did not consult an attorney. If he had, he might not be as breezily confident about his “Police State of Paragould, Arkansas” plan. Here’s what City Attorney Allen Warmath had to say, which attempts to walk back a some of Stovall’s claims.

Warmath said while he had not directly spoken to Stovall, he understood that the street crimes unit would actually be less confrontational than Stovall let on…

As for having IDs, he said citizens wouldn’t have to worry about that, either. He said the police would not arrest residents solely for failing to produce identification when asked.

Stovall himself has taken to the Paragould PD website to walk back a few of his claims as well, perhaps prompted by the heat he’s received for his earlier statements.

Most often, this identification process will be nothing more than making contact with a subject, handing them a business card, and asking if they live in the area and if there’s anything we can do for them. During hours in which crime seems to be more prevalent (i.e. between the hours of 11pm and 5 am), our process will become more stringent. We will be asking for picture identification. We will be ascertaining where the subject lives and what they are doing in the area.

Well, that is very different from the “zero tolerance” toss-your-non-ID-having ass in jail portrait he painted before the criticism began rolling in. Suddenly, it looks like an actual police operation that might fall within the limitations imposed on it by the Constitution. Stovall also clarifies the SWAT team look he was playing up earlier.

To give a little background information, several of our patrol officers already carry AR-15 rifles in their patrol vehicles. The AR-15 and police work is nothing new. Our Street Crimes Unit will not be wearing them constantly. That would be impractical. As we have stated in our meetings, our main purpose of mentioning this was to prepare our residents in the event that they saw an officer armed with one. When our officers deploy into areas where there is the potential for contacting several subjects in a high-crime area, that is when the potential deployment of AR-15’s will occur.

Stovall states the new patrols are not out to “violate anyone’s rights” but it’s hard to square this intention with the thought process that turns aggregate crime statistics into a “reasonable suspicion” blank check. Finally, he bemoans the lack of attendance at town hall meetings held by the police department regarding its new anti-crime street patrol (fewer than 100 people attended the first two meetings)… and then cancels the remaining town hall meetings because they might be “unproductive” (and full of angry citizens).

In the interest of public safety, we have elected to cancel the remaining Town Hall Meetings.

We have corresponded with numerous residents and non-residents today alone who were both supportive and against our Street Crimes Unit and Town Hall Meetings. Some of the correspondance has caused us great pause in whether or not the meetings should remain as scheduled.

As the police department, it is our duty to protect ALL residents and non-residents from harm. We feel that with the strong feelings on both sides of the Street Crimes Unit issue, a safe and productive meeting would not be the probable outcome.

Wow. I can’t imagine why people might be angry… or why Chief Stovall might want to dodge the backlash. This is the fundamental disconnect infects so many of those who create and enforce laws. Chief Stovall feels these tactics are completely justified and doesn’t even flinch when they’re compared to martial law. This is the person calling the shots, someone who institutes something that skirts the very edge of Constitutionality without even consulting an attorney. The message being sent is that the police will play by their own rules, with the citizens expected to be helpful, grateful, cooperative and, at all times, in possession of an ID, a clean criminal record and full justification for any suspicious “walking around” they might be doing.

And when the backlash hits, Stovall first tries walking his statements back before turning around completely and running away from the issue. So much for listening to “suggestions” and “feedback.” Say hello to armed patrols and “papers, please.”

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121217/16231921411/police-chief-deploys-officers-with-assault-rifles-to-stop-id-everyone-says-local-crime-stats-give-him-probable-cause.shtml

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12 Responses to Police Chief Deploys Officers With Assault Rifles To Stop & ID Everyone; Says Local Crime Stats Give Him Probable Cause

  1. jose says:

    this is a prime example of “force becomes law’, seems to me, they are trying everything they can to incite a war. they say don’t be offended. OFFENDED!!! guilty till proven innocent? this is absolute bullshit ….welcome to the NWO POLICE STATE!!! ENJOY!!!

    • NC says:

      ABSOLUTELY! Guilty until proven innocent. All in the name of “SAFETY”. No no. Not “Control”, but “Safety”. The magic word, “Safety” which comes immediately AFTER the magic word, “Fear” on every issue. Pathetic, ain’t it?

  2. Mike says:

    Todd H Stovall
    75 Blackfoot Dr
    Cherokee Village, AR 72529
    (870) 257-3008

    • Steve Apple says:

      Number has been disconnected,just tried to vent on stovall and the puss has run and hid how about the cop shop # he needs to know where the real fruits of his corruptive cowardice will lead.Sorry for my had all I can take attitude today but this one step over the line bullshit is wearing me out ,they want a fight im their guy I dont know why these pos arent sniped from 5 or 600 yds right in the whites of their beady eyes.
      Steve

  3. RanchHand says:

    I only live about an hour away from the infamous Police State of Paragould. This crap kinda makes me want to drive over there, lock my ID up in my truck and walk around ’till some cop demands my ID. I’m thinking if a cop asks why I’m walking around, my response will be a kind “None of your business”.

    • NC says:

      That’s it. “None of your business”?

      Not “Go F**K yourself?” or “Go stick your AR where the sun don’t shine.”? Oh man…you need to get harsher with them than that, dude.

  4. Kulafarmer says:

    Rather have the crime than pigs like these

  5. NC says:

    “This fear is what’s given us the reason to do this.”

    Ahh….the magic word, “FEAR”. There we go. Justification through false fears. I wonder whose paying off this asshole.

    “Stovall states the new patrols are not out to “violate anyone’s rights”.

    Oh no, clearly not. (sarcasm)

    Hey, I’m not a thief. I’m just taking your money without your permission. I’m not violating your rights or anything. (sarcasm)

    ““To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason,” he said. “Well, I’ve got statistical reasons that say I’ve got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you’re doing out.”

    HAAHAHAAHAHA!!!! Wow! So if I were in school and all of the students in school were making fun of the same kid, then statistically that gives me probable cause to go and make fun of him too?

    What rock did this guy crawl out of. Really? How does he sleep at night?

    I tell ya, we have children running our government because only a child would do and say such things as this. Does this chief still hide under the covers at night for fear of the boogeyman?

  6. Freemanontheland says:

    I live in Europe and seeing these news snippets everyday emerging from the USA makes me shake my head in disbelief. I can’t believe that you put up with it. I’m certain that at some point in the near future some cop will go too far somewhere and that will kick it off. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes when the Amercan people eventually wake up….hoping they wake up.
    The whole world is in a mess right now. There’s no escaping to a safe haven for anyone. But that goes for them too.

  7. we’re not all the same..

    in Isaiah 13:14 ….the pertinent part says everyone will get to go back to their homeland….three guesses where Africans wiil return to.

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-2013-mercedes-super-bowl-commercial/

    most areas where these problem reaction solution dialectic “Jewish” contrived problem areas are, have at least two and sometimes more ethnic groups jammed right up together, with the “Jew” promoting miscegenation on Talmudvision…

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/central-america-drug-war/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    along with substantial subliminal and sometimes overt programming that suggests that poor black and latinos need to go out and target whitey cause whitey done ‘em wrong…payback is a bitch

    http://www.palestine-encyclopedia.com/EPP/TOC.htm

    see the FBI crime stats…and the CRIMINAL JUSTICE [JEWISH] SYSTEM

    http://www.cca.com/cca-research-institute/

    one really should examine with a magnifying glass the Juvenile Criminal Justice system and the private prisons as the incubation centers for this “JEWISH” contrived social disease that demands a serious cure…

    http://adask.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/air-effing-born/
    or….

  8. Baconfrier says:

    Having checked out Paragould’s police webpage, I can see why old Stovey’s concerned about the crime rate. Their 25 most wanted includes 18 for non-payment of fines! But rest easy everyone, they already got one of those hardened villains- a future in the prison industrial complex awaits him.

    FYI the other felons were wanted for – failure to appear in court on a traffic offence, theft , selling meth, i.d. fraud and abuse of an adult. Strangely no terrorists, serial killers, gangsters, etc on that list.

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