This may be going a bit off topic for a science blog, but this kind of thing really drives me crazy and it seems to be happening more and more. Police and other officials are using extremely scary-sounding items discovered to pat themselves on the back for another victory against terrorism. It could be “chemicals,” “an unidentified white powder,” “radioactive materials” or just about anything else. The problem has become so bad that now nearly every police report of potential weapons or dangerous goods seized must be scrutinized with extreme skepticism.
In this case it’s rocket launchers showing up at a gun buyback program. There is much less to this than it seems.
(For those who might not know, a “Gun Buyback” is an event run by local police with the aim of collecting firearms that are no longer in use or may slip into the wrong hands. They may offer money, gift cards or something else to have the guns turned in. The idea is to reduce the number of guns floating around in the population and potentially available for misuse)
Rocket launchers surface during Los Angeles guns buyback
When Los Angeles police moved up their annual Citywide GunBuyback program to this week, they collected an arsenal that included 75 assault weapons, 698 rifles, 363 shotguns, 901 handguns and — more surprisingly — two rocket launchers.
The weapons, essentially long metal tubes once capable of firing
rockets, lacked the projectiles and parts needed to fire them, but even so had no place on the streets, police said.
“Those are weapons of war, weapons of death,” said LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, according to the Los Angeles Times. “These are not hunting guns. These are not target guns. … they have no place in our great city.”
Police said the people who brought in the weapons told police that they came from family members who served in the military and no longer wanted rocket launchers in their homes, the Times reported.
As it turns out, these were not the first launchers to turn up at a gun buyback. Last May, when the event was timed for Mother’s Day, one of these large firearms surfaced in Los Angeles.LAPD was planning to check with the military to determine the origins of the launchers, police said.
I love the way that they say ” they have no place in our great city.” It almost sounds heroic, as if a great evil has been vanquished.
There are two things left out of most of the reports. The first is that it’s completely legal to own these and the second is that if you wanted to kill someone with them, the only way you might be able to do it is by whacking them over the head.
What these are is actually are is empty AT-4 rocket launchers. The AT-4 is a man-portable anti-armor weapon designed and manufactured in Sweden. They are used by the US military (as well as several other nations). The US military variant is known as the M-136 LAW or Light Antitank Weapon. It is one of the most successful and prolific missiles of this type ever produced.
The launcher for the AT-4 is single use. It cannot be reloaded and is really only there to protect the person firing it from the rocket discharge and to provide a basic means of aiming the rocket. Once the rocket has been fired, the tube is regarded as being spent. It cannot be reloaded with a new rocket.
Without the rocket, the launch tube is not very exciting. It’s basically an aluminum and fiberglass tube with simple electrical switch to trigger the rocket and a pair of cross hairs to provide some ability to aim it. In the United States, it is perfectly legal to own an empty tube. It is legal to own an electrical switch and it is even legal to own crosshairs. Thus, as long as there is no rocket, you can, in fact own the launch tube.
In this case, however, these “launchers” never even launched a missile. That’s because these are not, in fact “inert” versions of the launcher, as indicated by the yellow band on them, meaning they never fired a missile and may not even have the basic electrical connections needed to do so. They are just empty shells, props of the weapon. They would be used for training soldiers on how to properly handle the AT-4, but they are not functional launchers, and even if they were, they would be useless without the rockets.
Another thing that I know firsthand — having myself fired two AT-4 rockets in the Marine Corps — is that working AT-4 launchers are fire and forget. They are not issued in the military in the traditional sense as a rifle or pistol would be, but instead as a single round of ammunition. They are one shot weapons. If it doesn’t have a projectile, then its no longer a weapon.
Once it is fired, it doesn’t ever get reloaded. It gets thrown in a dumpster, or sometimes even taken home as a souvenir.
The turn-in of these expended rockets is the equivalent of me picking up empty shell casings that have been fired, and maybe even the ammunition box they came in, and turning it in for a free gift card.
Given that spent AT-4 launch tubes are basically regarded as trash, they are not hard to come by. The inert, training versions can also be found fairly easily at military surplus dealers. They are bought by collectors and sometimes modified into big paintball guns or firework launchers.
A couple of quick web searches found one surplus dealer selling inertAT-4 tubes for $350 and another for$250. One could almost certainly find it for much less with enough shopping around.
http://depletedcranium.com/rocket-launchers-at-la-gun-buyback-give-me-a-break/




















OH GIVE ME A F**KING BREAK!!! Do they really expect us to believe that someone with a rocket launcher is willing to give it up? Is having a rocket launcher even legal for a normal citizen to have? What’s next? A personal owned tank? Are you kidding me?
I just found out by my friend that one of the buy back programs (maybe this one or in NY) was caught staging thousands of the weapons as being bought back, when in fact, the weapons were actually the government’s weapons and were being displayed to falsely show that people are returning their guns. That just goes to show you how pathetically desperate they are getting. Sounds more like something Bloomingidiot would do.
“What’s next? A personal owned tank?”
cant you own a tank then? i didnt know that.
we can!!!
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk
is just one of a number of surplus suppliers!
How many gang bangers and violent felons handed in their weapons. NONE? Just a bunch of old farts who think they are being patriotic, because they have been fluoridated and medicated all their lives. Now the felons are armed and they are not. Real smart!
My Fellow Americans:
Its just an empty tube.
It looks like an AT-4 variety (Anti-tank)
These come pre-loaded with a AA-Rocket (Anti-Armour), and are a fire once only armament,.. they can not be reloaded (at least by design).
About the only way this is dangerous is if you use it like a club and hit someone over the head with it.
In the field, its a fire and forget weapon, after which you either just discard the tube, or actually, your suppose to crush it just so the dinks or ragheads don’t find it lying around and make an IED out of it.
The only other real use for it once its been fired (now just an empty tube),… is for propaganda…..
JD – US Marines
Yep, it’s even less dangerous than a spent cartridge, as you couldn’t get one of these accidentally lodged in your windpipe. They are not a choking hazard for small children.
In the Army Aviation unit I was in, during the 1980′s spent TOW tubes were often used to drink beer from! The burnt propellant gave the beer an interesting tang.
Bread & Circuses. The one the oinker is holding in the pic is a AT4 tube. Expended rocket launchers bought at gun shows & curio shops. These guys need to make a reality show & “punk” the sheeple with their line of bullsh!t. Used to be you could buy expended L.A.W. tubes for $5/ea at every hockshop outside Camp Pendleton..
Does make for a great photo-op for the benefit of the sheeple though, does it not?
btw, I like the caption balloon on the cop at the bottom. It was the deciding factor in posting this one. LOL
could have been made into a bong….
there is no bottom to the bottomless pit…
but the braindeadgoy have special equipment for giving it another go
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From my knowledge of physics, I would suppose that the rocket itself does the actual launching. I note comments that the tube can be (re?) loaded with ordinary exploding fireworks and presumably operated with a cigarette lighter, if those aren’t banned yet.