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Is China gearing up to start World War III?

Back in the day, I sailed on a couple of Pacific cruises with the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70). A special shout-out to my shipmates on the Chuck Boat.

America’s relationship with China is a fascinating look at dysfunctional geopolitics.

On an economic level, our fortunes are tightly intertwined. As far back as 18 months ago, I reported about how, while China is America’s largest creditor — and we’re their largest market — China also been developing modified Dong Feng 21 missiles capable of extremely long flight. The potential of threat to Americans and American interests certainly didn’t go unnoticed by our government.

China has also shown itself to be a cybersecurity threat on both the industrial and military fronts. China has conducted numerous penetration tests against U.S. computer systems and networks.

We also know that China has a relatively active, organized cybercriminal community, with large groups of people conducting phishing attacks against Americans. Of course, the People’s Republic of China (mainland China) isn’t the only China phishing on Americans, so is the Republic of China, better known these days asTaiwan.

But it’s the PRC that concerns us most. There are a few important things to keep in mind when you think about mainland China — and if you don’t think about Zh?nghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó, it’s time you started.

The first thing to think about is the country’s amazing population. China has 1.3 billion people, more than four times America’s population. China gives birth to more babies each year than Canada has people — and that’s after China’s incredibly draconianjìhuà shengyù zhèngcè policy, the policy where China only allows one child per family.

The second thing you need to know is that China has become an economic powerhouse, growing its GDP by about 10% per year. This year, China blew past Japan to become the world’s second largest individual economy, after the U.S.

China also consumes a tremendous amount of energy. In How To Save Jobs I did some mathematical modeling and showed that China’s cows, alone, will be consuming more than one seventh of the world’s oil supplies within 10 years. Just their cows. That’s not counting what their 1.3 billion people need.

There’s more. I wrote:

China consumes slightly more than we do, at about 2.6 billion tons of go-juice. What makes China particularly interesting is that they’re consuming more and more each year. While our demand increases only 0.34% annually, China’s demand is increasing at 8.68%. Even the rate of increase is increasing. Back in 2000, China’s demand only increased by 2.46%.

I did a lot more math in How To Save Jobs, but one calculation stood out. China has made it a national priority to push more and more of its citizens into a middle class. But if China manages to “middle class” most of its citizens, China alone would then consume 10.1 billion tons of oil equivalent per year, or 78% of the world’s total output.

If India were to grow at the same rate (and India is growing fast, as well), China and India combined would consume 1.5 times the world’s total energy supply. In other words, those two countries, alone, will need more oil that the world actually has. This could be a problem.

The Chinese government is aware of all of this. The more they build, the more they consume. This is why China has become frenemies with the United States. We provide a market for their goods and a source of money for all that energy they consume.

But there’s one more important fact about China you should know. China absolutely hates that Taiwan isn’t part of the PRC. They absolutely, viscerally hate that the United States has been defending Taiwan and has been standing in their way to repatriate Taiwan, to bring Taiwanese citizens under mainland control.

In fact, to many PRC government minds, Taiwan is now part of mainland China. It’s just that America is blocking their rightful governance.

So, put it all together. China has four times our population. They have an economy going gangbusters, but will likely need more oil than exists on the planet, and they have an irrational anger at us for our role in keeping Taiwan out of their clutches. Plus, we owe them trillions of dollars.

It makes for a potent and volatile cocktail, doesn’t it?

Next: China, aircraft carriers, and World War III »

There are 21 aircraft carriers in service today. Of those, America has 11 — more than half of the world’s total. In addition, we have one in reserve and three more under construction, which will give us a total of fifteen to vs. the rest of the world’s ten.

Russia has the Admiral Flota Sovetskovo Soyuza Kuznetsov and India has the Viraat. China has no carriers. None. Of course, they’re trying to remedy this. They recently bought the Kuznetsov-class carrier Varyag from the Ukraine at an auction (seriously) for a mere $20 million. Although shrouded in secrecy and originally thought to be intended as a floating casino, it appears the Varyag is being prepared for actual service as a carrier.

In today’s world, carriers are the embodiment of military might. Carriers are what allow a nation to project force across the world. Our carriers are — even more than our nukes — what makes America the world’s sole remaining superpower.

All of this brings us back to China and the original subject of this article, whether China is gearing up to fight World War III.

See, here’s the thing. According to the French news agency, Agence France-Presse and reported in Yahoo News, China wants to develop some carrier-killer missiles.

Before we look at what that means strategically, let’s look at this from the point of view of human life. A typical American carrier ships out with 6,000 souls. Any missile intended to kill a carrier would kill a horrifying number of people — substantially more than died in the events of September 11.

AFP reports that an editorial appeared in the Global Times, a Chinese state-run press organ. As translated by AFP, the article states:

China undoubtedly needs to build a highly credible anti-carrier capability. Not only does China need an anti-ship ballistic missile, but also other carrier-killing measures.

Since US aircraft carrier battle groups in the Pacific constitute deterrence against China’s strategic interests, China has to possess the capacity to counterbalance.

Here’s what you need to keep in mind. Unlike, say, when I write something here at ZDNet, when an article appears in the Chinese Global Times, it — by definition — has state approval. So this is not just some writer saying China should be able to kill carriers, this is the Chinese government saying it.

Interpreting the tea leaves of Chinese government actions is always a dark art. However, it’s clear that an article like that wouldn’t appear in a publication like the Global Times if it wasn’t intended to be read internationally.

So what is China trying to say? What are they trying to accomplish? Is China planning to start World War III?

My take on it is the same as it was in that CNN article I wrote 18 months ago. Everything I’ve seen in modern Chinese government strategy has reflected a constant awareness of future potential and needs.

Without a doubt, especially if you factor in some of China’s enormous construction projects, like the creation of Shenzhen city and the building of the Hangzhou Bay Bridge, China is more interested in economics than war.

But there are nagging issues, like the fact that within a decade or so, China will need more natural resources than exist on the planet, that America owes China a lot of money, and — always, always, always — the sore spot that is Taiwan.

My take on this is that China’s latest foray into international threat-mongering is indicative of two factors: a desire on the part of the Chinese government to be prepared for any eventuality — and that could include war — and a desire to warn the West that they’re willing to be prepared for any eventuality — and that could include war.

No matter what, China will — in many ways — factor into the lives of all Americans.

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9 Responses to Is China gearing up to start World War III?

  1. Mark Schumacher - NV says:

    Still, there is a big body of water between China and us. That will be our saving grace if war breaks out with America. China has a lot of people yes, but that could be their achilles heel so to speak. If war breaks, they will all be hungrier that a hard to handle prisoner at a USA FEMA camp. They will turn on their government.

    China will go for India first in my opinion. They want their natural resources, namely the water. If they hit India, then we are probably next on their radar. If they go that route, then they will be getting a hard lesson in radiation and lead.

    • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

      Mark, did you see the article I posted a few days ago about our so-called govt. shipping water from the Great Lakes to China?

      They undoubtedly have their eye on that resource also.

      • diggerdan says:

        I am supprised that they are not targeting the amazon down in south america. – Hell then they would have the drug trade and the fresh water trade all wrapped up in one big deal- like the drug- coke/marijuana/opium /amphetamine, etc. all wrapped up in one big mess, hahahahaha LOL

        • # 1 NWO Hatr says:

          Not methamphetamine, digger, that can be manufactured anywhere.

          Which is exactly why the govt. cracks down on it so hard – they’re not getting their cut of the sales.

          • diggerdan says:

            Have you ever read up on Alexander Shulgin and Ann Shulgin. You would realy like this guy as far as law on drugs and drug testing by the federal govt. Ya see Alexander told the fed govt. to screw themselves and he says why in his book PIHKAL Phenethylamines I Have Known and LOved A Chemical Love Story. He will tell some dirty dirt on this federal govt. that we are expected to live under – after all his dad was one of the three founding founders of the Mensa foundation .

          • diggerdan says:

            P.S. Yea your right on meth.#1 Also there is a lot of ornamentals that actualy have more ephedrine than ephedra plant does?, It is called hibiscus root. It is loaded with ephidren Hahahahahahawhawhahww

      • Mark Schumacher - NV says:

        As far as China stealing it from us,

        I was talking to a guy (another trucker) who was ex coast guard for the great lakes. He was telling me that the ships are being checked big time for anything in the holds, especially fresh water.

        He said that if their caught, they pay a huge fine. Every ships’ hold is checked. Nothing gets by them. Their checked coming in and going out he said. He said he volunteers and still goes out and does this part time.

        Could be BS but it sounded all good to me, face to face anyway.

        As far as we shipping our water to China, damn shame. We are fools for doing so. I just hope we giving them the fluoride as well.

  2. # 1 NWO Hatr says:

    “China also been developing modified Dong Feng 21 missiles capable of extremely long flight. The potential of threat to Americans and American interests certainly didn’t go unnoticed by our government.”

    Apparently even the super Sunburn missiles (ss-n-26 ONYX) aren’t the top-of-the-line anymore. The Brahmos (Russian & Indian) are the newest bad boys on the block, as pointed out by a poster on another article. (link below)

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brahmos.com%2F&ei=gp1fUNfWIuiUjAKfoYHgAg&usg=AFQjCNGw3uka_eIrI6diNAl6yfIziruK0g&sig2=5GiqMvTH9X-nRVWfybjR1g

  3. NC says:

    “Without a doubt, especially if you factor in some of China’s enormous construction projects, like the creation of Shenzhen city and the building of the Hangzhou Bay Bridge, China is more interested in economics than war.”

    Generally, yes they are more interested in economics than war. Their people do not want a war because they know it will effect their economy and they as well as their government care more about that than any war. However, the Chinese military has been steadily growing at the same time. They did buy that carrier a few years ago from Russia and it has been a secret ever since. However, most people think they are either repairing it for battle and/or studying it in order for them to “copy” (like they do with everything else) and make their own pirated form of carriers that will probably not be great quality by any means, but will be something as a good show to the world to let them know that they have one and that they are continuing to be a growing figure on the global military field.

    “My take on this is that China’s latest foray into international threat-mongering is indicative of two factors: a desire on the part of the Chinese government to be prepared for any eventuality — and that could include war — and a desire to warn the West that they’re willing to be prepared for any eventuality — and that could include war.”

    I agree with this guy’s analysis. As I have said before, the Chinese government and its people are more concerned with their economy than war. That is why the Chinese didn’t attack the U.S. for bombing their embassy years ago. The U.S. was testing them and the Chinese people wanted revenge but the president of China at that time, Jiang Ze Min, who was from Shanghai (which is why Shanghai grew so fast economically and became a great city during his presidency) knew what the U.S. was trying to do and said (and I paraphrase) that now was not the time for war and that we have to ignore it for now in order to build our economy or everything we have worked for will be lost again. But he said, rest assured, when the time comes and we are ready, we will have our revenge.

    Now is China ready, you may ask? I say no, but if the U.S. disrupts or puts sanctions on their economy or goes to war with Iran or disrupts their oil deals in Mexico, I can’t say that they would immediately go to war, but they would definitely be thinking about it. The U.S. is already trying to screw them in Africa and Iraq, so the more the U.S. takes over and squeeze them, the more they likely they will go to war. If Russia goes to war with Iran, there’s still a chance that China may not attack that much, especially with this China/Japan Island distraction in the East. However, if Russia is attacked by the U.S. on the Eastern front, China will definitely attack the U.S. in order to deter them in the same way that they deterred the U.S. in the Korean War when the U.S. tried to push North Koreans into China and then crossed over into Chinese territory.

    China is very selfish. They care about their economy, money and power more than anyone else’s. Although they are great friends with Russia, their country’s needs still outweigh any possibility of them assisting Russia, unless it was for some business gain or interest, like any country. But as I said before, don’t underestimate China. They are tricky little things and are masters of deception in their own way. In looking at the mafia side of the Chinese government, the Triads, alone (believe it or not), out-perform the Yakuza and Italian mafia combined. As far as the mafias are concerned, they are number one internationally when it comes to business and trade. They have their dirty hands and protective services in over half the trade deals worldwide. No one messes with them. China has contacts everywhere and when their economy becomes threatened, it won’t be a good thing for anybody and I’m pretty sure the U.S. knows this, but the elite just don’t seem to get it or even care. And that’s also probably one of the many worries by people who understand China and who know that the U.S. and the rest of the world would be effected by it militarily and economically.

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